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Every field test is an experiment, even though the detector has impressive performance I still strive to get it quieter and greater depth, I am pushing the envelope but it is coming together.  I just finished a low frequency version of the GPX and ground noise has become non existent, more gain and lower noise and filtering out the pesky atmospherics and EMI is the current aim.

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Hi guy's

Well I have to add to the list of another innovation that allowed even greater gain, lower noise and perfect ground balance.

I was having an uphill battle trying to get fast response time (slew rates) while knocking out the wide band interference the AD797 cops up to 100 Mhz.

I found an exisiting design issue in the GPX series that was working against obtaining lower noise, it ended up being the way the dual gate mosfets switch the input stage to ground, I know why they did it and it was to remove the constant resistor bias and switch the 1k resistors on and off on the input. This just current pumped my input filter to cause a R/C filter to cause a chop chop sound when i was attempting to increase the capacitance to roll off the lower frequency interference component.

To cut a long story short, I can use a 12 mono in the house and detect 0.1 gram at a few inches and an aerosol can at around 4 feet... I have always said that these detectors suffer huge depth loss if noise gets into the system and upsets the integrators. The one thing that really amazed me is the way the detector ground balances to zero offset at full gain using nasty Kalgoorlie hot rocks..3 up and downs and it is balanced.  So if it works this good on the work bench i cannot wait to get out in the field and run it through its paces.


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Well guy's, I've been busy soldering components as big as ants and testing a lot of different electronic system to get more smaller gold and also larger gold at depth.  Many of the standard detectors have great difficulty finding simulated 3 oz nuggets at 22 inches, even with a large coil.  I am sure that when we see a lot of big holes and people say they got a 5 gram at 20 inches it is not possible, my hunch is that the nugget was always in the wall higher up and falls in when the  hole is widened out.  Anyway I digress, I have come up with a way to get an honest 30% depth increase on large gold, you know the coke can sized nuggets that everyone just walks over. I think it will marry up perfectly with the new 24 inch evolution coil that is coming out.  Anyway, if you want to hunt for the next hand of faith at greater depth let me know.

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General Discussion / Re: Wanting to upgrade my GP Extreme
« on: January 29, 2017, 02:48:10 pm »
Yes, got it and it is being worked on.

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General Discussion / Re: Wanting to upgrade my GP Extreme
« on: January 02, 2017, 03:51:00 pm »
Hi Jud, 

Can do that for you.

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Information on the new developments / Re: Z mods
« on: January 01, 2017, 04:36:49 pm »
I added a common mode choke to the internal rx line into the detector electronics and it made the detector more quiet.

Ml can encased the rx circuitry into a sealed module but preamplifier circuitry can be installed before it input signal dives into the unit.

There are so other things that can be done in relation to the coil driver stage but I have not finalised the work.

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False information / Re: Other Forums
« on: December 25, 2016, 12:39:21 pm »
The newest updates are easy on par with the SDC and very much the same as the GPZ but kill both the SDC and GPX on depth on respective Gold sizes on specific depths.  Do not take my word for it, watch my video testing on youtube.

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How to repair faulty detectors / Re: Thermal 17AM203A5-8
« on: December 25, 2016, 12:31:34 pm »
I finally worked out what part you are talking about, its the thermal protector in the old dome battery, just use a 5 amp POLYSWITCH that you can find on Ebay for $2.00

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/5Pcs-72V-2-5A-Radial-Through-Hole-PPTC-Resettable-Fuse-PolySwitch-/301727756454?hash=item46406030a6:g:VFQAAOSw8w1YAemM

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Over the years I have had a some very good prospectors doing a fair bit of testing and providing excellent feedback on how to make things better, Big thanks to Bobby White up in Charters Towers, Peter from Melbourne and Matt from Ballarat. Just yesterday Matt came to me with suggestions on gain control and noise, after some discussion i had a brain wave that just had to be tried, I opened up Matt's detector and did a few circuit changes and after initial bench testing we went to the local gold area at Sparrow ground to do some testing. I have never seen Matt with such a big smile on his face, testing the GPX4500 on a 0.2 we could detect it at 8" with "no noise" the most interesting thing was at nearly full gain we were not getting much interference and the ground noise was minimal even using normal timings. It is a fine line designing an input stage that will handle the dynamic range of ground responses and still get maximum performance.  This time I think we nailed it, some more testing will be carried out across the red hot ground of the golden triangle in the next few days.  PS coils used were NF 17" elliptical and 17" Elite flat wound.  The new mods tamed that Elite coil perfectly.

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General Discussion / Inside the GPX-4500 andGPX-5000
« on: December 20, 2016, 09:18:39 pm »
Has anyone ever wondered just how they work?  These detectors have 2 main hearts, a CLPD, a complex logic device that is located right next to the Hitachi processor ic, these 2 devices control the timing for various tx and rx functions and general housekeeping as like controlling the electronics when switches are changed. The input stake is much the same as the GP series except they are using a reverse biased n channel mosfet as the second device in the tx on voltage and back emf blocking, a dual gate mosfet is used to hold the input ad797 inputs to ground when not in receive mode. The only difference is that in previous detectors the mosfets were connected to ground but now there are 1k resistors in series to ground. Next in line are the usual bank of 4053 switches and as a slight departure from old designs 10 sets of dual opamps. power supply and feedback is much the same as the old GP design.

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General Discussion / Re: new mod settings on 4500
« on: December 19, 2016, 06:55:21 pm »
It is nearly impossible without testing equipment, the easiest way is to connect the coil to a variable frequency source and connect a small resistor in series with one coil wire and vary the frequency with an oscilloscope across the resistor, when resonance is achieved the signal voltage across the resistor will rise. The higher you can get the frequency the better in most cases but other effects like ringing need to be observed. Another way is to buy an automatic LCR type meter and measure the inductance, these give a Q reading, the higher the Q the better in most cases.

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General Discussion / Re: new mod settings on 4500
« on: December 19, 2016, 10:04:22 am »
Some pointers on the new mods on the GPX detectors.

The manual frequency (tune) control on the back lcd panel is now made into a frequency control that can adjust the transmitter pulse to smaller or larger values, massively greater than the adjustment range in a factory standard detector.

Setting the manual tune to low numbers is perfect for really big coils as longer pulses can energise bigger gold at depth to get a larger return signal, lower numbers also allow you to use more gain as the extra long pulse on transmit is also matched by longer off time before the receiver turns on allowing most ground noise and hot rocks to fall out of the detection window, longer off times are detrimental to finding small gold.

When setting the manual tuning higher there are a number of factors to take into account, the manual tuning has a limit that is governened by how good the coil that you are using is made, it needs low capacitance to decay faster than the receiver turns on, a slow decaying coil will allow back emf into the receiver in the detector and kill the performance. I always say test the setting on a test target to make sure that you are not cranking everthing up but killing the performance, it is a bit like driving on wet roads, gentle on the accelerator.

When using high frequency numbers on the manual tuning using too much gain ( either the one we add or the gain in the back menu) can allow too much ground noise into the detector and jam the electronics in such a way that it will not respond to metal targets. It "ALL" depends on the type of ground and type of coil. On non mineralised soil the main problem is the coil, on very hot ground the main problem is ground noise.

In normal timings the detector is far more forgiving when you crank up the gain and frequency but beware some hot rocks will also be more detectable but you can lower the frequency to reduce the respone or if there are many just ground balance on a known hot rock and lock the detector into fixed tracking, this will eliminate all hot rocks with the same characteristics but also gold with similar decay as the hot rocks, you would need to be careful doing this but it can make undetectable areas detectable.

The higher numbers are pushing the limits of the GPX and GP detector technologies, the higher frequencies do not work the same in all modes , especial fine gold on a GPX 5000 as fine gold already seems to switch the receiver on faster and thus you cannot crank up the gain and frequency with high capacitance coils as the detector will go deaf.

Minelab make these detectors in such a way that the operator cannot get into trouble by putting fixed limits on the gain and fixing the frequeny. By knowing what you are doing and by changing these fixtures greater performance can be obtained. My own tests indicate that using high numbers in the manual tuning small gold sensitivity is greatly enhanced, specimen gold can be detected that normally would be ignored, greater ground control can be obtained by matching the front end gain to the ground type and adjusting to just remove excessive ground growning while swinging the coil.

So these are the things that need to be considered, ground type, coil type, gain settings both front and back, the front one we add is far more important than the one in the back menu, i always say put the back one on say 5 or around that number but it is not hard science, it is only a suggestion to get you started , i have seen operators use it at 18 and turn the front one down to work non mineral soils in high emi areas, i have seen professional prospectors turn the back gain to 1 and the front nearly all the way up using fine gold but using a lower frequency.

The correct way to understand the moddifications is to test the detector with the coils and ground type, there are so many variables that it is impossible to write up settings due to all variables.  As an example i use a 14" mono coil with back gain on 6 and front gain about half in normal mode and frequency of around 160 around Ballarat, when I go to Dunolly i use back gain on 8 and lower the front gain to 1/3 and the frequency to 120 but this is based on the ground type.  At the end of the day you need to buy a test target in the ground and test the settings to see what is the best, after a while you will master the controls and get more gold.

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General Discussion / Re: Gp 3500 mods
« on: December 18, 2016, 02:37:40 pm »
Set the frequency to half way if using a 11"or 12" coil. If bigger set the frequency to lower if smaller coil increase thr frequency, then set the gain to half and ground balance the detector, swing the coil and increase or decrease the gain so the detector is at just below the point of ground noise, then ground balance again and go swinging.

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